Post by WeAreAllOne on Aug 4, 2017 12:54:45 GMT -8
The CIA And The Continuance Of Individual Identity Independent Of The Physical Vehicle.
Courtesy to infinite for bringing this link to my attention. This is a great find, and coming from the CIA, an agency that cuts to the point and only works with what works and what is real. They don't mess around, so to see the CIA discussing this is a great to see.
Lets get started. Here is the original link to the Reddit thread discussing this. Huge props to /u/no1113 for coming across this information.
np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6r5hk1/the_cia_and_the_continuance_of_individual/
Here is the sourced CIA FOIA document
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210016-5
Archived link to the PDF document in question
archive.is/g8TBT#selection-17.17-43.2
Original PDF Link
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
From /u/no1113's post:
I’ve been reading a particular CIA document released under the Freedom of Information Act, and not only is it pretty darn fascinating indeed in and of itself, but I just came across a particular section that has some downright astounding information when you consider the source of the data and what the data itself says and means:
Basically what all this means is that this is the C-I-fucking-A - an agency that, as everyone knows, is about as cut and dry and “sciencey” and not given to bullshit and hodge-podging and coming up with weird “woo woo” theories if it doesn’t work and the data’s not real/doesn’t lead to real-world results. The CIA is into real shit. They may not be the nicest or most service-to-others organization on the planet (read “not at all”), but they don’t fuck around when it comes to pursuing things that have proven themselves to work - for better or for worse. If it’s not real, then it doesn’t benefit their pursuits of accruing more knowledge, more data, and more information that can be used to surveil on and have a decided advantage over whatever citizenry they might be working on or taking down whatever government, country, or corporation they’re interested in.
At the end of the day, this CIA document gives a very clean, cut, and dry, very nuts and bolts calculation…of the soul; of that very phenomenon that, although utterly twisted by the majority of religions, has nonetheless been contentiously touted by so many religious organizations throughout the existence of human civilization. The soul - its possible existence and the continuance of personal identity independent of the physical vehicle (i.e. the body) - is a topic that has been fiercely raged over for as long as can be remembered, and an entire subculture of die-hard atheists have come up that have defended their perspective with just as much fervor and ardency as the craziest religious zealot. To be sure, both sides lie in the far extreme of the spectrum, and both sides it seems are pretty far off-base when it comes to arriving at what the truth really is, but the fact of the matter is that both sides have still garnered an absolutely massive following among the population throughout their respective histories.
Although I for one feel that the vast majority of religion is pretty toxic to real and true spirituality and understanding, my point behind posting this OP is to present everyone with a very dry, very academic, very logical, very “sciencey” assessment of a finding which appears to 100% affirm the existence of personal identity independent of the physical vehicle. According to this info, personal identity does in fact seem to continue on past the expiration of the body.
I’d at least go with the intel that a FOIA-requested CIA document offers over the proclamations of many other sources anyway.
This is a great piece of information obtained through the FOIA. I will do a full write up as soon as I can and incorporate this into a full article.
Sources:
Thank you /u/no1113 from Reddit, for finding this. Thank you infinite for sharing this link here, I don't think I would have seen it otherwise.
np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6r5hk1/the_cia_and_the_continuance_of_individual/
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210016-5
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
Courtesy to infinite for bringing this link to my attention. This is a great find, and coming from the CIA, an agency that cuts to the point and only works with what works and what is real. They don't mess around, so to see the CIA discussing this is a great to see.
Lets get started. Here is the original link to the Reddit thread discussing this. Huge props to /u/no1113 for coming across this information.
np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6r5hk1/the_cia_and_the_continuance_of_individual/
Here is the sourced CIA FOIA document
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210016-5
Archived link to the PDF document in question
archive.is/g8TBT#selection-17.17-43.2
Original PDF Link
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
From /u/no1113's post:
I’ve been reading a particular CIA document released under the Freedom of Information Act, and not only is it pretty darn fascinating indeed in and of itself, but I just came across a particular section that has some downright astounding information when you consider the source of the data and what the data itself says and means:
27. Consciousness in Perspective.
Having ascertained that human consciousness is able to separate from physical reality and interact with other intelligences in other dimensions within the universe, and that it is both eternal and designed for ultimate return to the Absolute, we are faced with the question: “So what happens then?” Since memory is a function of consciousness and therefore enjoys the same eternal character as the consciousness which accounts for its existence, it must be admitted that when consciousness returns to the Absolute, it brings with it all the memories it has accumulated through experience in reality. The return of consciousness to the Absolute does not imply and extinction of the separate entity which the consciousness organized and sustained in reality.
Rather, it suggests a differentiated consciousness which merges with and participates in the universal consciousness and infinity of the Absolute without losing the separate identity and accumulated self-knowledge which its memories confer upon it. What it does lose is the capability for generation of independent thought holograms, since that can be done only by energy in motion. In other words, it retains the power to perceive but loses the power of will or choice. In exchange, however, this consciousness participates in the all-knowing infinite continuum of consciousness which is a characteristic of energy in the ever present. Consequently, it is accurate to observe that when a person experiences the out-of-body state, they are, in fact, projecting that eternal spark of consciousness and memory which constitutes the ultimate source of their identity to let it play in and learn from dimensions both inside and outside the time-space world in which their physical component currently enjoys a short period of reality.
Having ascertained that human consciousness is able to separate from physical reality and interact with other intelligences in other dimensions within the universe, and that it is both eternal and designed for ultimate return to the Absolute, we are faced with the question: “So what happens then?” Since memory is a function of consciousness and therefore enjoys the same eternal character as the consciousness which accounts for its existence, it must be admitted that when consciousness returns to the Absolute, it brings with it all the memories it has accumulated through experience in reality. The return of consciousness to the Absolute does not imply and extinction of the separate entity which the consciousness organized and sustained in reality.
Rather, it suggests a differentiated consciousness which merges with and participates in the universal consciousness and infinity of the Absolute without losing the separate identity and accumulated self-knowledge which its memories confer upon it. What it does lose is the capability for generation of independent thought holograms, since that can be done only by energy in motion. In other words, it retains the power to perceive but loses the power of will or choice. In exchange, however, this consciousness participates in the all-knowing infinite continuum of consciousness which is a characteristic of energy in the ever present. Consequently, it is accurate to observe that when a person experiences the out-of-body state, they are, in fact, projecting that eternal spark of consciousness and memory which constitutes the ultimate source of their identity to let it play in and learn from dimensions both inside and outside the time-space world in which their physical component currently enjoys a short period of reality.
Basically what all this means is that this is the C-I-fucking-A - an agency that, as everyone knows, is about as cut and dry and “sciencey” and not given to bullshit and hodge-podging and coming up with weird “woo woo” theories if it doesn’t work and the data’s not real/doesn’t lead to real-world results. The CIA is into real shit. They may not be the nicest or most service-to-others organization on the planet (read “not at all”), but they don’t fuck around when it comes to pursuing things that have proven themselves to work - for better or for worse. If it’s not real, then it doesn’t benefit their pursuits of accruing more knowledge, more data, and more information that can be used to surveil on and have a decided advantage over whatever citizenry they might be working on or taking down whatever government, country, or corporation they’re interested in.
At the end of the day, this CIA document gives a very clean, cut, and dry, very nuts and bolts calculation…of the soul; of that very phenomenon that, although utterly twisted by the majority of religions, has nonetheless been contentiously touted by so many religious organizations throughout the existence of human civilization. The soul - its possible existence and the continuance of personal identity independent of the physical vehicle (i.e. the body) - is a topic that has been fiercely raged over for as long as can be remembered, and an entire subculture of die-hard atheists have come up that have defended their perspective with just as much fervor and ardency as the craziest religious zealot. To be sure, both sides lie in the far extreme of the spectrum, and both sides it seems are pretty far off-base when it comes to arriving at what the truth really is, but the fact of the matter is that both sides have still garnered an absolutely massive following among the population throughout their respective histories.
Although I for one feel that the vast majority of religion is pretty toxic to real and true spirituality and understanding, my point behind posting this OP is to present everyone with a very dry, very academic, very logical, very “sciencey” assessment of a finding which appears to 100% affirm the existence of personal identity independent of the physical vehicle. According to this info, personal identity does in fact seem to continue on past the expiration of the body.
I’d at least go with the intel that a FOIA-requested CIA document offers over the proclamations of many other sources anyway.
This is a great piece of information obtained through the FOIA. I will do a full write up as soon as I can and incorporate this into a full article.
Sources:
Thank you /u/no1113 from Reddit, for finding this. Thank you infinite for sharing this link here, I don't think I would have seen it otherwise.
np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6r5hk1/the_cia_and_the_continuance_of_individual/
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210016-5
www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
